We put non-binary activist Eddie Jarrel Jones and The Phluid Project founder Rob Smith in conversation with each other, and the two spoke some powerful truths about the continued gendering of products like makeup and clothing. Smith recalls that 30 years ago, the only way that he was able to experience the joys of playing with makeup was to work at a beauty counter. Even today, Jones notes that it's hard for non-binary femmes like them, or even trans women, to get that experience in stores.

In the video above, get a sense of why Smith created a genderless store, and see how important it is for people like Jones to have a space where they don't feel criticized for dressing like they want.

Check out the other videos in our series where we placed queer people from different generations in conversation with one another:

Dani and May OkonLauren Morelli and GarciaNaima Green and Marlene ColburnAshlee Marie Preston and Devan Diaz

Produced by Alexandra Hsie

Directed by Charlotte Prager

Shot by Charlotte Prager + Dani Okon

Edited by Gretta Wilson